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Tuesday, April 28, 2009

Fark you SGN!!!


Day before yesterday, the prime minister of Malaysia, Datuk Najib Tun Razak has warned Malaysians against participating in Multi Level Marketing (MLM) businesses. He said though MLM is a legal business, the system itself is a flaw where it mirrors a pyramid structure, means that downline, in mass are providing for the upline, small in number, but they earn a lot. Apparently, the are hundreds of MLM businesses operating in Malaysia currently.


I'll give you my advice based on my real experience in SGN. When I first joined SGN, I was being told to pay only RM2500 and when I brought in 5 members, I will not only be able to get back my cost, when these 5 members expand, my income will expand as well. When they showed me the marketing plan, it was so perfect that I was very convinced that I can really make money out of this so called business. However, pls note that during the initial briefing, they did not tell you that if your position is not higher than your downline, no matter how your downline expand, you won't get any income. The catch here is that unless you are at the Master posistion or above, you must have a higher position than your downline. I wasn't aware of this flaw when I joined. Few weeks after joining, they briefed me on another marketing plan, a more detailed marketing plan. On this marketing plan, they persuade you to invest to become a Master. Well in order to become a Master, you must invest RM34k. When I told them that I do not have so much money, then they tried to talk me into taking a bank loan or credit card loan. The CM said that if I did not invest, they will not help me in my business and thus my RM2500 registration fees being paid earlier will be as good as gone. In the end, I invest as a Principal, paid up RM 15k. And I know that now, after deviated from DCHL selling Lamp Berger, they now sell the so called water filter D'Oceanus registered under Sweblink Global Network. And the last when I checked online, Sweblink Global Network is actually another MLM company with a different set of marketing plan. I wonder why don't they directly registered under Steady Global Network?


Okay, this is not the purpose of this post, so I shall not said more on the invest. My actual purpose of this post is to disclose on how MLM will really affect your life.


Since joining this SGN, we have to go to office every Monday and Wednesday and Friday. Usually, the event will start at around 7pm and will last till 11pm, depending if you are bringing new prospect or not. What do we do? There will be numerous seminars, talks and briefings going on everyday. When there is no events, we will sit together for sharing sessions. These sharing sessions are for us to talk about our experiences in joining this business to influence new prospect or new joinee. Usually, they will only shared bout good things and nothing negative. Haha, I used to brag with the newcomers of how much I have earned from SGN. In Fact, everyone brag about how much they actually earned. Well, I can tell you, it's all bullshit. The Marquis (Now call CM) will claims that they earned a nice RM15k every month. Come on, one of the marquis that I know was actually only driving a Proton Saga and living in a rented apartment!! When I questioned him bout that, he often said that he don't want to waste money buying a good car or he is still looking for a nice drive. Bullshit!!!


When I first asked my friends to join this MLM scam, I felt so bad of not highlighting to them that if they pay only the RM2500, they will NEVER success in this business. To success, they will need to invest at least RM15k or RM34k. Well, many will claims that in the early stage of their business, they can even start to earn RM 7 - 8k a month easily. Hello!!! That RM 7 - 8k a month is actually part of your RM34k that you have invested earlier. You are only divesting your liability to your downline, what so great about this?! Okay, my first few prospects did agreed to join in as partners and some of them did invest. But I really felt bad about what I did and I really conned them into joining. Then, as I moved on, it's getting harder and harder to persuade my prospect to join. After a few t-up with them, they started to avoid my calls. Damn, I am really losing out of friends. And these friends went around telling my other friends about my 'MLM' business. More and more friends avoid me. To be frank, this is the worst part of doing MLM, you really losing out of friends, and some of them are damn real good friends. And before bringing these prospects to office, we actually need to submit a form to the upline telling them all the things about the prospect, from their family to their financial abilities so that during the briefing process, they can try to psycho and talk to the prospect bout their financial problems. If this ain't cheating, then what is cheating? I mean, as good friend, telling off everything bout your friend to another person, is that integrity? I doubt so..


Even after I quit SGN, I don't dare to meet up with my friends that I brought up to office as prospects. So, think before you join, or you will sure regret it...

P/s: do you know why the Malaysian government did not allowed DCHL to renew it license? There is a lot of people that take a bank loan and unable to repay back the loan, thus the government has no choice but to do an investigation. According to Duke Chia (now called Ambassador) himself, there are numerous cases of new joinee in Macau that commit suicide as they are unable to pay back the loan that they took to invest into the business. Maybe this is one reason why SGN does not dare to register under it's own name

47 comments:

zahirani said...

people make mistakes, as bad as your mistakes in the past, try to learn from it so that u become a better person. u lucky that u realize that all this MLM is cheating. some of my friends did not realize even until now.

Anonymous said...

MLM is a damn thing (many people thought)...but should we follow from the one who success or from loser of this biz...all complain that they pay up to 15K ubt who ask u to agree on it..meaning u not have your own prinsip in your life...read la star newspaper last sunday..not all is the same..

King Center said...

Not only SGN, SYN also practice the same thing. Your post is very informative, thanks for sharing.

A gust of wind said...

I guess Anonymous is one of them from MLM. doesn't matter, I respect your comment.

i love my friend said...

what ever it is, MLM/DCHL/Lb is shit!!!

my friend become lazy because of this shit MLM. they have totally change. so sad... :(

hope they will realize this someday

MLM is Hell said...

hey Anonymous,

what ever is it, this fcuking shit MLM is going t0 hell someday. just wait and see. 0n that time, u will hide ur face in t0ilet bowl cause afraid to face ur friend. s0 sad..

0nly stupid guy join this stupid MLM. this just a trap for lazy, stupid, f0r greddy and unpatient pers0n like u.

like i said, just wait and see.

kikilala.

syahza said...

thumbs down to DCHL/lamper berger..

Anonymous said...

honestly..i doesnt like MLM..but i had been introduce by my best friend..and it make me feel guilty if im not follow him..at first..i think it is ok to pay 2k something..let it go for your friend..i had go for training and others activity...home party..tea party as well..and before join M&U party they had present to me speed plan to make me more excited..oh damn...you not only pay 2k..but you have to invest 34k...they tried to provide me loan for that..ok..i just follow the plan..actually i wanna to see what step they are going to push me and one more thing..i wanna to see by myself M&u party...they are really2 excited tell me about M&U party...hahaha..they being crazy at M&U party...jumping on the chair...like a monkey..claping non-stop..and one more thing...my friend actually..damn..he dont like dancing before...but he dance on the stage...oh god..what happen to him...he really change...and tomorrow..when we meet...i said to him...sorry bro..i cant join your business..he looked so shock....and after long time im not meet him..i tried to contact and invite him to lepak2...he said busy and something else...ok..i text him and said..."friend, you meet me and calling me before this, just to promote your business and after i rejected your business..you have no time...friend means something that can bring you a money..if they dont you throw them like a rubbish"...

Anonymous said...

Bro, Honest and brave comments. I respect that.

Anonymous said...

firstly thanx for ur informative and transparent sharing. me myself almost join this scam.luckily my loan didnt approve for some reason.

in fact, i almost lost my best friend for this mlm thingy.i feel like i dont have any more time for myself n my friends.

so those out there who intend to join this so-called biz think hundreds or thousands times before making any decision..because sometimes that few seconds of decision will make u miserable for lifetime..

Anonymous said...

OMG...

i just pay for the membership fee!!

My friend very enjoy SGN marketing, but i feel that it is a trap!

anybody join?

Anonymous said...

Hi Bro and sister...

i join SGN already and starting feel sad now...

HELP!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

hi
thank you for sharing this experience of yours.
much appreciated.
i was just google-ing on the internet about this type business concept....
and i,myself eveb went for the talk...and found it hard to believe...
however, my bf is so keen about this business concept and this REALLY worried me.
:S
Is there any help so as to stop him to go on even further?
Thank you.

A Gust of Wind said...

hi Rina

Believe me, it's hard to convince your bf not to join now. once brainwash by them, he will be addicted to it. based on my own experiences, he'll has to learn it the hard way!! by now, even some of my friends who are earning much previously had leave SGN. if it's really so good, why should they leave?

Anonymous said...

Hi there!

After reading all the thoughts shared by all of you, truly can picture the experiences gone thru. Allow me to share something about myself. To be honest, I am in DCHL for about 3.5years and been through all the up and the down turn. And of cos I felt the same way like you all, meaning I am also not comfortable with all the clapping, dancing and etc. And I don't have fancy car like BMW but a kancil, also didn't manage to earn 5digit per month but still manage to cover my monthly expenses and some savings which about 3k per month. Thanks GOD thru all these experieces from business point of view, I've still managed learn about savings, investment, branding and marketing and not just to me alone and also towards our property.

Mainly, I have totally no doubt about the product- Lampe Berger. Though I am no longer in MLM business since I got married and setttle down in Singapore. I still in love with the LB oil, the Lamper collection, the smell, the skin care... For me, it's part of lifestyle. After since 4 years until now, my hubby and I still will light on the Lampe every alternate day. We believe in savings even for the oil, we kept a lot of the low price oil which in 2ltr packing instead of 1ltr.

Well, please don't bother how your friend or whoever treat you badly and make you feel lot of suprises or sad about it. Just learn whatever you can and maintain your own network, one day you'll find it will be useful. In chinese there is one description : "There is non a endless enemy".

GOD bless.. :)

GG said...

SRY GUYS, MAYBE U ALL HATE MLM A LOT,
BUT IN NOWADAYS,WE ARE ALL EARNING HUMAN'S MONEY,THAT'S THE CYCLE...I ALSO WENT TO SGN M&U SEMINAR BEFORE, THAT'S THE OPTIONAL PLAN ONLY, JUDGE THIS AS A BUSINESS, WHEN U HAVE LESS CAPITAL, U INVEST A STALL,IF U HAVE MORE CAPITAL THEN OPEN A SHOP,

IF U ALL STILL THINK THAT MLM IS A SCAM, TRY TO SEARCH...WWW.TRUMPNETWORK.COM

HE DARE TO USE HIS NAME TO SETUP A NETWORK MARKETING COMPANY,HE DEFINITELY SEE MORE THAN US

Luciano said...

Thanks for the post... I almost got into this. Luckily I look for the name SGN in the Net and found this post. Really appreciate it. At least I save RM 2000 of my money. I went to the office and these guys really psychoed me into joining it.

zero said...

lolx,u said the CM earning 15k/mth was driving a saga,so what if they drive a luxury car like BMW??
when they drive saga,u also say bad things,when they drive luxury car,some other ppl will said they are sucking people $$,from what u all think, doing MLM is bad guys, actually u all have to ask urself.......WHAT'S WRONG WITH MLM!!!??? IT IS NTH WRONG FOR THE LEGAL MLM BUSINESS

Anonymous said...

i read most of the books about network marketing and multi level marketing, from donald trump to robert t kiyosaki.have you done research and do any readings about network marketing my dear?well there are a lot of mlm businesses nowadays,name it...but choose wisely. there's nothing wrong with MLM.seriously..it's just like other business..u still hv to put on capital..put some or extra effort in order to make ur business have a continuous growth..it's just the same.its a loss to those who reject a good marketing plan because..if u put extra effort initially , you'll earn more in the end. seriously no joke.u can make millions just within 5 years.think of it...too bad tht u don't see the good part in it.i leave you something for u to think..a true winner knows that losing is part of the process of winning. It is only the losers of life who think that winners never lose. A loser is someone who dreams of winning and does everything possible to avoid making mistakes.gud luck to you!

Anon said...

Well..you are so narrow minded, not a business minded n zero knowledge.that's all i can say after reading your post.Quoted from your last statement - "Maybe this is one reason why SGN does not dare to register under it's own name" the word 'maybe' already shows that you never think and investigate first before you start doing anything.lol.Well talking bout your friends...too me they are not a true friends.True friends will never avoid and push you away no matter who you are n what you do.poor you sweetie..

Anonymous said...

Really?

Anonymous said...

For things to change,1st, u must change.I'm not pro mlm neither anti mlm.but an average malaysian today,if given rm100k today,I'm pretty sure they'll be broke in 3 months.wealth to me is not money,it's knowledge.knowledge is wealth.when there's something wrong,we point fingers to others.but be aware,other 3fingers are pointing at ourselves.

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Anonymous said...

i did went to SGN biztalk but havent registered yet. no wonder they asked me to keep low-profile abt this. their company using other company's AJL license. and even so its not a DSAM trusted MLM company. im gonna lose a good friend becoz rejecting this, but no regret. if u wana join MLM business, make sure the company is a Direct Selling Association M'sia (DSAM) member. DSAM have code of conduct; preventing members to involved in pyramid scheme alike and they have 100% money back guarantee. google this to find out.

Anonymous said...

so sad to hear about Anti-MLM....i wasnt born in a rich family...but thanks SGN, and my upline....they are making me real rich now....and the most important thing is my income actually is higher than my upline. so, is this fair to sgn? or any other MLM business....please do not do sth that hurts people's feeling without fact...if u can be succesful, i guess...for the remaining 10 or 20 years will be the same....remmeber...every business...nothing come easy..u guys maybe too comfortable with wat u have..

Anonymous said...

About the AJL license....have you fully investigate why it has been registered with other company's AJL license?Dont just investigate at one side...investigate with both sides.I did.I gave a call and talk directly to the person in KPDNHEP. Also i talked to the person in SGN, get it clarified.Result,im fully satisfied with the answer and proof given.Conclusion,nothing wrong with SGN. They have a legal license, fully registered. Why i said so? Go figure it yourself. Dont be such a fool listening crap from others.Dig it.

Anonymous said...

What can i say...SGN offered good future to those who want to be believe n want to change their life.it's either change your circle of friends,ur lifestyle or it can be both.u might lose friends in the beginnning...and i believe u might gain friends eventually IF u really become somebody in this business. Make it short, to those who want to continue living in their 'comfort zone',live like how they do currently for like another 20-40 years, do nothing extraordinary in life...well...U R MOST WELCOME NOT TO JOIN SGN.we dont need n no regret of losing such ppl :) btw,did u read news about AC Mizal recently? He just bought a car name 'Bentley'? u'll hv no idea of how much it cost. He already got a Porsche. How he can afford n where he got money for that? MLM the answer is. So peeps, never laugh to ppl who joining MLM.u'll never know wht they'll have eventually. The excitement is not really about money,it's the journey that important.peace no war! ^_^V

A Gust of Wind said...

you guys are so damn attached to this mlm things.. let's see, if you guys are so damn honest in your business, why do you have to physco people to take up loan? out of so many that takes loan, how many are really successful in repaying the debt? i know that you will say those that are successful are those that really work hard. but did you guys ever think for those that fails? i m damn sure that the failing rate is higher than success rate. so, in a BUSINESS that involve such a BIG RISK, is it healthy or not??

Anonymous said...

Ahaha dear 'A Gust of Wind'...u r quite funny in a sense.
Did u know that Donald Trump used to lost billion of dollars before he become a person like how he is now?Asked any millionaire or billionaire...did they ever point fingers to anyone because of their losses???How their journey was?U r such a loser.

Anonymous said...

Oh forgot to quote from ur comment "i know that you will say those that are successful are those that really work hard. but did you guys ever think for those that fails?" CLEARLY means that THOSE who failed are THOSE who are LAZYYYYYYY.I tell u, this business is not meant for those LAZY peeps...to become a businessman/woman,u have to be hardworking,dont be lazy,prepare for not enough sleep,not enough times with ur loved ones,lose money initially,do ur work and get up!!Do u dare?I bet u dont!because u r LAZYYYYYYYYYYYY~!No pain no gain!

Anonymous said...

I have a friend. They face failure in whatever business they do. At last, they have lots of debts. They couldn't find a way to solve their problem. One day they found a business called 'steady global network'. They started to join this business by borrowing money from along, RM2000.They refused to listen to my advise. Now, they are doing everything without my knowledge because I anti this business. After 1 month they got back RM2000. They even told me but I didn't see the money or they didn't show me any proof.Now they really treating me as their enemy. My question is, if 1 person can be a millionaire by just putting RM2000, why do people stuggle from standard 1 to university level to get a good job to earn money? We can just run our life with RM2000, am I right? MLM is making people stupid and this people don't realised it and they are just loosing a good friends.

Anonymous said...

I believe I just have been acknowledged about this issue
at bar yesterday by a friend, but at that moment
it didn't caugh my attention.

Dr Love said...

Its a brainwash, this MLM thingy.

Thats why they want to get hold of you from 7pm to 11pm, three times a week. Its called indoctrination.

Once you fall into their trap, you ere disabled from thinking straight.

Bringing to the subject why these MLM madafakers jump up and down like monkeys having a pot party.

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Anonymous said...

Dear friends,

SGN is not MLM business. They are hiding using MLM business concept but the reality is they are scam! NOT TRUE MLM...

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